Posts by Cold Steel

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What Do You Think A CIA Or NSA Security File On The Watchtower And Tract Society And It's Governing Body Would Say?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i'm sure that a top secret security clearance not very high up the chain of command would show a ton of information, .

i mean everything that happens on the internet and on computers i'm sure is assessable to the us intelligence community, why would the government not pass up an opportunity to spy on it's population and run all internet data through homeland security to protect it's interest both home and abroad, realistically thinking that is.. so with this in mind what would a highly classified report look like?

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Cold Steel

JW.Org/About Us » Any donations that are forwarded to the branch offices of Jehovah’s Witnesses are used to relieve victims of natural disasters, to support our missionaries and traveling ministers, to help construct our houses of worship in developing countries, and to print and ship Bibles and other Christian publications.

This was news to me. In an article about how the Organization finances missionary work, I read the above. Perhaps the CIA knows how the Governing Body relieves victims of natural disasters since I've never heard of them doing these things.

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

Cold Steel

Knowsnothing » BTW, from personal experience, channeling is very real. Don't try it. You'll open a bad gateway.

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Guess it doesn't work with a keyboard.

Seriously, I don't mess around with anything having to do with spooks...or people like this guy who are nutso.

Which reminds me. A sports reporter once asked Muhammad Ali if his boxing translated into street fighting. When Ali hesitated, not understanding the reporter, the reporter said, "I mean, if someone came up to you on the street and hit you, would you be able to punch him back." (Okay, it was a stupid question, but I didn't ask it.)

Ali looked at the guy like he was nuts, then replied, "I'd probably run, 'cause he'd have to be craaazy!"

I think what he was saying is that in many ways, crazy people are scarier than sane ones.

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What is the benifits to living forever?

by Jayk in

can anyone give me a valid reason for it?

growing old is a drag.

the witnesses idea of ever lasting life, that you will come back to your most youthful state is such a bs answer..

Cold Steel

Smiddy3 » In the 1960s I was taught that Jehovah didn`t create all of these [galaxies] for nothing. [He] probably/possibly plans to eventually populate planets in these [galaxies] with those who have proved themselves faithful here on Earth and the whole universe would be filled with humans praising Jehovah.

They certainly don't have much imagination, do they? It sounds as though they believe God created the Universe as a backdrop for Earth. If God created the earth out of nothing, why did it take him six days to do it? (The term "days" in the scriptures has the same meaning it does to us in that it can refer to a 24-hour day or an era, such as, "in my grandfather's day.") My question to them would be, if God can do anything, why didn't he create it in one day? Or one minute? Why didn't he just speak the word and have the earth just pop into existence? Or if he could do anything, why not just speak and have the Universe appear fully developed?

The purveyors of doctrine within the JW strata don't think anything through. They see the afterlife as one big family reunion that never ends. The pictures say it all. There's no growth or development. What purpose was there to the Adam and Eve story? If Satan had not interfered, what would they be doing today? Nothing! They would still be there petting the tigers and playing hide and seek. They would still not know good from evil and there would be no Wal*Marts or Cracker Barrels!

In other words, man would still be mired in a stalemate with Satan, and they needed Satan to break out of the status quo and progress.

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What is the benifits to living forever?

by Jayk in

can anyone give me a valid reason for it?

growing old is a drag.

the witnesses idea of ever lasting life, that you will come back to your most youthful state is such a bs answer..

Cold Steel

Not dying is a negative. Being on Paradise Earth will be great for the first hundred years, then what? I went to one semester of school on the north end of the island of Oahu in Hawaii, and when I saw it I told my sister, "I'm NEVER gonna get tired of this place!"

Well, guess what? At the end of the semester I was ready to come home. There was just so many luaus and scuba or snorkling outings after class you can take, then it gets old. Finish classes, go back to the dorm, change into your bathing suit, catch the bus and take your diving stuff to Shark's Cove. You see the same fish, walk on the beach. On weekends you go to Honolulu, visit the same stores. Not a bad life for awhile, but two hundred, three hundred, eight hundred, two thousand years? You visit the Alps, India, Jerusalem, Spain. After awhile it's going to get old.

Anyone remember the story of the teenager who dies. In the afterlife this old couple greets him, welcomes him to heaven, plays Scrabble with him, feeds him home cooked meals and shows him slides of their vacations. Finally he's had enough of them and tells his guide he doesn't like it in heaven. He wants to go to hell! His guide laughs and tells him it is HELL! But, the teenager says, the old folks he lived with told him it was heaven. His guide laughs again and says, "It is heaven...for them!"

The apostle John tells the saints of his day that it does not yet appear what we shall be in the resurrection, but that when we see God, "we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is." (1 John 3:2) Only by progressing can man be happy. We must always be advancing by various stages or degrees for there to be fulfillment. The Jews and the early Christians understood that. The GB never has. That's why their eschatology is so sterile. Stilted.

Even God doesn't stand still. He lives to create.

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The 4 Bachelors in WT Mythology leading to 2075.

by waton in

it is kind of a puzzle, only one of the 4 is real, but all have been mentioned by wt.

i am ham fisted, but will try to re-post in a while.

the line leads to 2075. try it, then read the quote.

Cold Steel

When is it going to be ENOUGH!

Don't they have to come for the JWs first?

Armageddon can't come until the Antichrist comes and starts rounding up Jehovah's Witnesses first. You can't fool me. I've seen The BUNKER video. First, they create bunkers. Then they tell a bunch of stories. Then they're going to be rounded up and taken out and executed. (They don't learn until the end that Brother Brown was the informant, and then it's too late.)

The BUNKER features a family of Jehovah's Witnesses who are rounded up by the federales and executed. Most are taken out and shot, but Sister Maria Garcia Julio escapes and makes her way to Iran and is stoned by the Elite Guard.

All this has to happen before Armageddon.

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Why isn't Lazarus my next-door neighbor?

by return of parakeet in

after looking through doug mason's "ransom" thread, i noticed a little discrepancy between dub doctrine and the bible; i.e.

lazarus.. if the wages of sin is death, lazarus paid the wages in full by dying, and when resurrected by jesus, he should then have been a "perfect" man.

after all, he paid his wages for his imperfection -- he died.

Cold Steel

If I died and someone brought me back to life I'd be ticked.

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backhanded compliment to Sunday speaker

by road to nowhere in

a couple years ago we had a speaker, better than average, give the talk.

since i was still pretty much a believer, i commented to him how i enjoyed the talk, and how it was "entertaining".

it was, but he got mad as it was one of the beat the fear of god (governing body) into you talks.

Cold Steel

When you said he got mad, what did he say? Was he just a little upset or was he really ticked? How can someone get angry over something like that? Did he just say, "I'm glad you liked it, but I wasn't giving it to be entertaining." Or was it worse than that?

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BBC Article on Two Witness Rule

by Tricked in

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-42025255

Cold Steel

"I asked [the organisation], 'what should I do? Do you report it to the police, [or] do I report it to the police'? And their words were that they strongly advised me not to go to the police because it would bring reproach on Jehovah."

Couldn't the same logic be applied to a murderer in the congregation? It seems to me that bringing vile criminals to justice is justice.

So you've got a serial killer in the congregation. Are you going to be worried about it bringing reproach to Jehovah? Besides, how does bagging a pedophile bring reproach on Jehovah? Don't they mean it brings reproach to the JW Organization?

Why do these people gain access to the children in the first place? Where are the parents? When talking to a child, why don't they leave the door open? Or put a glass window in it? Billy Graham would never ride an elevator alone with a woman (and if he were alive today) probably not with a child. If counseling a woman, he left the door open to his office. To him, he never wanted a he said, she said. If privacy is required, have someone else present.

It worked for him for years. If I were a parent, I'd never let a child be alone with an adult who wasn't the parent. And if it's a case of a parent abusing a child, treat it as though it were a murder. "I'm sorry, brother Grabbitz, but church policy requires I report this to the authorities. As a presiding elder I recommend you get professional help. Until this matter is resolved legally, we have no choice but to also convene a KH court to determine church disciplinary action."

Why not do the right thing?

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Why does God allow animals to suffer? Does God care about animals? What does the Watchtower teach about this?

by defender of truth in

the following article will address these questions, and attempt to answer them.. after helping jwfacts with his page on animal suffering, i decided to write this article.. it is mainly aimed at helping jehovahs witnesses and other believers in god to think about the issue, as well as the apparent contradictions in watchtower teaching.. thanks must go to jwfacts for the encouragement, and giving me permission to use an image from his page and to use some of the quotes.. also, thankyou to cofty for general moral support.. please let me know what you think everybody, and feel free to reproduce any part or all of the article on any other website, just post and let me know that you've used it on your site please.. (i'd appreciate it if anyone could post to tell me they found a point in here useful, it would encourage me to keep going).. okay, here it is:.

why does god allow animal suffering?.

does it trouble you to see animals in pain?.

Cold Steel

Waton » I believe that animals suffer less than we think, I have been in several life and death situations, and can not recall any suffering that I endured. shock and hormones covered that.

Few things anger me more than traps left by hunters that injure an animal and leave it there to die a lingering, agonizing death. Why such things are legal is beyond me. I'd like to plant another trap close by that would snap a man's leg and be impossible for him to open. I'd just be afraid another animal might step in it.

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

Cold Steel

Geesh, can this guy ever reach an end to a sentence? I couldn't take anymore and looked at the progress bar and it was only about a third of the way through. Can someone give us the Reader's Digest version?